From: bill.doucet at avrsb.ednet.ns dot ca (Bill Doucet) Subject: HELP!! No document available Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:54:28 +0000 HELP!! I've just switched from Macjordomo to Autoshare. I love the speed and the low overhead but I have a big problem. When anyone sends a message to the list they get a "No document available" available back from the listmaster. I have read all of the documentation, the quick start, the faq and I think I have everything configured properly. I have an email inservice for a group of teachers in the morning and I really don't want to have to set Macjordomo up again. Can anyone suggest something that may be glaringly obvious to everyone but me? Thanks in advance Bill Doucet
Subject: User being refused, why? Date: Tue, 3 Dec 96 18:10:40 -0500 From: Clifford Hartleigh Low <cthulhu at necronomi dot com> I need to discover why this user is being refused posting access. >Subject: Re: Watching movies for my sins (fwd) >Sent: 12/3/96 5:53 PM >Received: 12/3/96 5:55 PM >From: Columbine, hilda at apocalypse dot org >To: Sue Kossoy/NewYork/EALaw, araignee at echonyc dot com > Sue Kossoy/NewYork/EALaw, Sue_Kossoy at ealaw dot com >CC: Clifford Hartleigh Low, cthulhu at tfs.necronomi dot com > >I keep getting these nonsensical bounce messages, and Cliff can't figure >out why - this is the third time I've tried to respond to your posting! >Could you forward this to the list? Or if not, at least you can see >what my response is... > >Thanks! > >Love, Columbine the Gremlin-ridden >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:07:00 -0500 (EST) >From: Columbine <hilda at apocalypse dot org> >Reply-To: nycgoth-l at necronomi dot com >To: "nycgoth-l@necronomi dot com" <nycgoth-l at necronomi dot com> >Subject: Re: Watching movies for my sins (fwd) > ># Posts: NYCgoth-L * Commands: listserv * W3: www.necronomi.com/elists # ># Exit: "unsub NYCgoth-L" msg body to listserv * Help: NYCgoth-L.admin # > >************************************************************ >ATTENTION PLEASE >Your message did NOT get posted or forwarded >You cannot post to a list, unless you are a subscriber >The listserv address is listserv at necronomi dot com >************************************************************ From the list file: hbelschn at indiana dot edu (Holly Belschner..3) hilda at apocalypse dot org (Columbine..3) honeybee at panix dot com (..3) So, I'm rather perplexed. Here are the user's headers if that helps any: >Received: from asylum.apocalypse.org (192.48.232.17) by necronomi.com with >SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:58:16 -0500 >Received: from localhost (hilda at localhost) by asylum dot apocalypse dot org >(8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA24827; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:53:52 -0500 >Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:53:51 -0500 (EST) >From: Columbine <hilda at apocalypse dot org> >To: Sue Kossoy/NewYork/EALaw <araignee at echonyc dot com>, Sue >Kossoy/NewYork/EALaw <Sue_Kossoy at ealaw dot com> >cc: Clifford Hartleigh Low <cthulhu at tfs.necronomi dot com> >Subject: Re: Watching movies for my sins (fwd) >Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961203175226.24708A-100000 at asylum.apocalypse dot org> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > x--------------------------------------------------------------x - They call him "mean-spirited" on WSD-L. - - cthulhu at necronomi dot com * cliff at necronomi dot com - - <http://www.necronomi.com/users/cthulhu/> - x--------------------------------------------------------------x
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:39:01 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: HELP!! No document available At 18:54 +0000 12/3/96, Bill Doucet wrote: >HELP!! I've just switched from Macjordomo to Autoshare. I love the speed >and the low overhead but I have a big problem. Thanks! Welcome to the list. >When anyone sends a message >to the list they get a "No document available" available back from the >listmaster. I have read all of the documentation, the quick start, the >faq and I think I have everything configured properly. I have an email >inservice for a group of teachers in the morning and I really don't want >to have to set Macjordomo up again. Just to let you all know that Bill sent me an e-mail that it's working now. Bill also asked if the Auto folder containing the various AutoShare folders (see the Samples folder structure) must reside in the root of the disk. This is not a must by any means! I have my own AutoShare folders scattered all over my multi-partioned disk :-) Your folders paths in your AutoShare configuration must reflect the complete paths to these folders, but that's about it. There's a small note in the FAQ: --- Q: I'm trying to set up a mailing list. I have followed the QuickStart guide, but everytime I sent something out I get a reply that says "No document available". Does anyone have a clue what might be wrong? A: Check that the documents are placed properly in their folders, the Docs folder in particular, and that the domain for the Bounce account is configured correctly. Be sure to include your domain with the bounce address. In a multi-domain environment, apply the AutoShare Hosts file as well. --- I'm looking into improving this. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:39:01 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: HELP!! No document available At 18:54 +0000 12/3/96, Bill Doucet wrote: >HELP!! I've just switched from Macjordomo to Autoshare. I love the speed >and the low overhead but I have a big problem. Thanks! Welcome to the list. >When anyone sends a message >to the list they get a "No document available" available back from the >listmaster. I have read all of the documentation, the quick start, the >faq and I think I have everything configured properly. I have an email >inservice for a group of teachers in the morning and I really don't want >to have to set Macjordomo up again. Just to let you all know that Bill sent me an e-mail that it's working now. Bill also asked if the Auto folder containing the various AutoShare folders (see the Samples folder structure) must reside in the root of the disk. This is not a must by any means! I have my own AutoShare folders scattered all over my multi-partioned disk :-) Your folders paths in your AutoShare configuration must reflect the complete paths to these folders, but that's about it. There's a small note in the FAQ: --- Q: I'm trying to set up a mailing list. I have followed the QuickStart guide, but everytime I sent something out I get a reply that says "No document available". Does anyone have a clue what might be wrong? A: Check that the documents are placed properly in their folders, the Docs folder in particular, and that the domain for the Bounce account is configured correctly. Be sure to include your domain with the bounce address. In a multi-domain environment, apply the AutoShare Hosts file as well. --- I'm looking into improving this. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:51:38 +0000 From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman) Subject: Re: User being refused, why? >So, I'm rather perplexed. Here are the user's headers if that helps any: >>Received: from localhost (hilda at localhost) by asylum dot apocalypse dot org >>From: Columbine <hilda at apocalypse dot org> The headers don't give us a definitive answer. You need to see the rfc envelope to confirm this, but my guess from the above is that the rfc sender is <hilda at asylum.apocalypse dot org>. If you look in the AutoShare log you should see the 'mail from:' envelope address appear there when your subscriber attempts to post. AIMS stores the rfc envelope information in STR 8192 (mail from: address) and STR# 8192 (rcpt-to: address) when it saves messages as files. You may find it useful to create a test account which saves files to disk. When you have problems, ask the subscriber to send a message to your test account and open the resulting message file in ResEdit. The string in STR 8192 should match a mailing list address. Hope that helps, ( :-]) James
From: bill.doucet at avrsb.ednet.ns dot ca (Bill Doucet) Subject: Re: HELP!! No document available Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:00:33 +0000 Thanks for the quick reply Mikael I used Autoshare about a year and a half ago for the lists I had set up at school, but it seemed somewhat unstable at the time. Machine crashes etc. Not anymore! I'm impressesed. I understand what you are saying about the paths being reflected in the Autoshare setup and in the Aims account. I did do that, however. The path to the LS folder, for example, was HD 123:Net Apps:Auto:LS: ( and without the trailing : in aims ). It wouldn't work like this , but when I put the Auto folder in the root (HD 123) and changed the path name to reflect this, it worked fine. I don't know why. I would like to figure it out though, because other people work on the server, at times, and I'm affraid that the auto folder might get moved accidently. Once again, thanks for the quick reply and help. Bill ps - is there a limit to the number of lists that can be set up ? >At 18:54 +0000 12/3/96, Bill Doucet wrote: > >>HELP!! I've just switched from Macjordomo to Autoshare. I love the speed >>and the low overhead but I have a big problem. > >Thanks! Welcome to the list. > >>When anyone sends a message >>to the list they get a "No document available" available back from the >>listmaster. I have read all of the documentation, the quick start, the >>faq and I think I have everything configured properly. I have an email >>inservice for a group of teachers in the morning and I really don't want >>to have to set Macjordomo up again. > >Just to let you all know that Bill sent me an e-mail that it's working now. > >Bill also asked if the Auto folder containing the various AutoShare folders >(see the Samples folder structure) must reside in the root of the disk. >This is not a must by any means! I have my own AutoShare folders scattered >all over my multi-partioned disk :-) Your folders paths in your AutoShare >configuration must reflect the complete paths to these folders, but that's >about it. > >There's a small note in the FAQ: > >--- >Q: I'm trying to set up a mailing list. I have followed the QuickStart >guide, but everytime I sent something out I get a reply that says "No >document available". Does anyone have a clue what might be wrong? > >A: Check that the documents are placed properly in their folders, the Docs >folder in particular, and that the domain for the Bounce account is >configured correctly. Be sure to include your domain with the bounce >address. In a multi-domain environment, apply the AutoShare Hosts file as >well. >--- > >I'm looking into improving this. > >-- >Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:47:19 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: User being refused, why? At 18:10 -0500 12/3/96, Clifford Hartleigh Low wrote: >I need to discover why this user is being refused posting access. Clifford, please send me a copy of your list file (or just the subscriber's entry line) as well as a copy of the message file in question from the Filed Mail folder. Perhaps the Analysis file too. Put it all in a folder and remember to user StuffIt to preserve resources! Thanks. The idea is to compare the addresses of the RFC From, the envelope sender and the subscriber in the list file. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 08:02:01 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: HELP!! No document available At 07:00 +0000 12/4/96, Bill Doucet wrote: >Not anymore! I'm impressesed. Thanks. Happy to hear that. >I understand what you are saying about the paths being reflected in the >Autoshare setup and in the Aims account. I did do that, however. The path >to the LS folder, for example, was HD 123:Net Apps:Auto:LS: ( and without >the trailing : in aims ). You have read the documentation carefully :-) >It wouldn't work like this , but when I put the Auto >folder in the root (HD 123) and changed the path name to reflect this, >it worked fine. I don't know why. I would like to figure it out though, >because other people work on the server, at times, and I'm affraid that >the auto folder might get moved accidently. I haven't come across this before. Perhaps there's a hidden character somewhere in 'Net Apps:'. I just realized that none of my paths have a folder name with a space, although that shouldn't matter. >ps - is there a limit to the number of lists that can be set up ? No, I can't say there is. AutoShare doesn't keep all subscribers for all lists stored in memory when it's running, and little memory is required while processing a given list. The only limit in AutoShare that I can think of is once you hit 984 lists(!) as there is a STR# 1984, but I can easily move that much higher :-) -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:28:54 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Have uploaded new admins Thanks to Phil Gyford for helping me clear up the 68K dialog prompt when starting up the Admin. An internal reference to the 68K AutoShare was present in the Admin, which seems to be the cause of it. I have uploaded new versions (with and without a built-in FaceSpan extension) to <ftp://ftp.dnai.com/users/m/meh/AutoShare/AutoShare-More/> -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman) Subject: [Announce]: Frontier glue for AutoShare Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 02:24:31 +0000 Dear All, Apologies if you get more than one copy of this (I've posted it to the Frontier, AutoShare and MACSCRPT lists). To kickstart interest in scripting AutoShare 1.1, I've made a basic AutoShare glue available. If you want to have a play, mail AutoShare-software at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk with 'AutoShare.Frontier' in the subject (don't include the quotes). Comments are appreciated. I'm no expert in Frontier :-) ( :-]) James For those who don't know, AutoShare 1.1 is a freeware utility that adds listserver and auto-responder functions to the Apple Internet Mail Server (AIMS). It's now fully scriptable. See <http://www.dnai.com/~meh/autoshare/> for more details.
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 13:46:11 +0000 From: Bill Bedford <billbpm at mousa.demon.co dot uk> Subject: Re: HELP!! No document available ~Thanks for the quick reply Mikael ~ ~I used Autoshare about a year and a half ago for the lists I had set up at ~school, but it seemed somewhat unstable at the time. Machine crashes etc. ~Not anymore! I'm impressesed. ~ ~I understand what you are saying about the paths being reflected in the ~Autoshare setup and in the Aims account. I did do that, however. The path ~to the LS folder, for example, was HD 123:Net Apps:Auto:LS: ( and without ~the trailing : in aims ). It wouldn't work like this , but when I put the ~Auto folder in the root (HD 123) and changed the path name to reflect this, ~it worked fine. I don't know why. I would like to figure it out though, ~because other people work on the server, at times, and I'm affraid that the ~auto folder might get moved accidently. ~ You could try a small app called DropPath which will copy the name of any file dropped on to it to the clipboard ready for pasting into dialoges etc. It should be available on InfoMac.
Date: 05 Dec 96 17:14:56 -0800 From: Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at fsd.k12.ca dot us> Subject: Poll Example Does anyone have any examples of the Poll feature working in Autoshare 1.1?= Perhaps a sample Poll document, and/or an example of how a poll would be = structured? I hate to be thick, but an example would work wonders. Our 1.1 upgrade went extremely smoothly, and all lists appear to = functioning well. I was not able to get the Remote Admin to work until I = downloaded the version that included Facespan (not as a separate extension)= . Now it works great. Thanks, as always, Mikael for a great product and to James Berriman for = the list and his contributions! .Tony Anderson
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 18:41:27 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Docs Acting Up At 09:17 -0800 11/29/96, Mikael Hansen wrote: >At 11:24 -0500 11/29/96, Trevor Peirce wrote: > >>Trailing space doesn't seem to be the answer: List, Release, & Which >>all return the proper document, but (bad token), while Help, Index >>Query, and Review just give the default file. > >Looks like you are in no luck. How about the configuration of the bounce >address? > >I'm getting curious :-) Please mail me the List document with the /=list >line. I also need the e-mail address of your listserver. > >Furthermore, please send me a fresh Analysis file. Trevor has sent me the Analysis files for both servers. I am posting my findings to the list, as others may run into the same situation as that of Trevor. Both servers have a 'listserv' and no 'autoshare' folder in the docs folder. However, one server has the address of the listserver account configured with a user name of 'listserv', while the other is 'autoshare' :-) -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:04:38 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Poll Example At 17:14 -0800 12/5/96, Tony Anderson wrote: >Does anyone have any examples of the Poll feature working in >Autoshare 1.1? Perhaps a sample Poll document, and/or an example >of how a poll would be structured? I hate to be thick, but an >example would work wonders. While the 1.1 was still beta, a subscriber to a list for Danes living outside Denmark was interested in knowing the distribution by country and if the US then the state. More than one hundred subscribers sent their vote to a poll account that James set up for this experiment. It turned rather nicely! The subject was 'I live here', I think. Here's a fragment of the outcome: Australia 4 ********* Austria 1 ** Belgium 1 ** Britain 1 ** California 17 **************************************** Canada 4 ********* Cyprus 1 ** Denmark 12 **************************** England 2 **** Florida 1 ** France 4 ********* Georgia 1 ** You can set up all kinds of subjects for one poll account. Each subject constitutes all votes going to one poll. The simplest would be to recommend two keys: 'yes' and 'no' in the first line of the body. Then people would vote for or against a given issue. You start out by telling people about the basic rules (e.g. keywords to use), and then they vote! Once you are done with the poll, then delete the file with the name corresponding to the subject. All votes are stored in the resource fork of the file, which keeps getting bigger as people vote. >Our 1.1 upgrade went extremely smoothly, and all lists appear to >functioning well. I was not able to get the Remote Admin to work >until I downloaded the version that included Facespan (not as a >separate extension). Now it works great. That's nice! >Thanks, as always, Mikael for a great product and to James Berriman >for the list and his contributions! Perhaps we can persuade James to set up a poll relevant to a topic for this list, e.g. a yes/no on the use of scripting, or the maximum list size (nearest 100) that people run. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 17:48:36 +0000 From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman) Subject: The 'list size' poll Well, here goes. Send a message to poll at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk with subject: list size In the body, state the maximum size of AutoShare list you run - to the nearest hundred (in figures, without punctuation or spaces - e.g. 200 or 500 or 5000). ( :-]) James Oh, and here's the latest result - just in: >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman) >From: poll at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk >Precedence: bulk >Subject: list size >Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 17:39:53 +0 > >Hello, fellow subscriber on the AutoShare list! > >Thank you for participating in the 'list size' poll. Feel free >to resend your message in order to receive an updated status. >Keep in mind that only your first message counts as a vote. > >James Berriman > >The poll status is found below. > >--- >Thank you for voting! > >300 1 **************************************** > >1 selections 1 votes, the top selection got 1 votes >--- > >Your original message is found below. > >--- >Received: from [194.66.172.10] by frutiger.staffs.ac.uk > with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Fri, 6 Dec 1996 17:39:26 +0000 >Message-Id: <v02140b02aece0aaa2f5e at [194.66.172 dot 10]> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 17:39:27 +0000 >To: poll at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk >From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman) >Subject: list size > >300 > > >--- > >This message has been returned to you by AutoShare, an AIMS utility.
Date: 06 Dec 96 11:55:51 -0800 From: Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at fsd.k12.ca dot us> Subject: Thanks for the sample poll Thank you to both Mikael and James. The example helped emmensely. I have = now successfully created a functioning Poll account. The one piece of info = not documented (that is probably perfectly obvious to everyone except me) = is that the Poll account must be set up in AIMS as a "Save as files" in = the Filed Mail folder kind of account. That way, of course, Autoshare will = notice the mailings to the Poll account. Duh. Again, thanks! ..Tony Anderson
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:20:11 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Thanks for the sample poll At 11:55 -0800 12/6/96, Tony Anderson wrote: >The one piece of info not documented (that is probably perfectly obvious >to everyone except me) is that the Poll account must be set up in AIMS >as a "Save as files" in the Filed Mail folder kind of account. Configured just like a regular auto-sponse account :-) Nice that you got it going! -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: 06 Dec 96 16:24:59 -0800 From: Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at fsd.k12.ca dot us> Subject: RE>Re- Thanks for the sampl >Configured just like a regular auto-sponse account :-) Yep, that's what you said in the documentation alright. "...it's just like = setting up a regular auto-response account." Now back to reading 1A with = me.... ..Tony
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:03:25 +0000 From: Phil Gyford <phil at wired.co dot uk> Subject: Wrong Reply-to We're having problems with a couple of people on one of our lists... When they post to it, something causes Autoshare not to add the correct Reply-To or X- headers. Is this something to do with their end, or is there anything I can do about it? Sample header below (with names changed to protect the innocent...). Received: from dash.widearea.co.uk (194.70.234.6) by wired.co.uk with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:50:27 +0000 Received: from [194.70.234.8] ([194.70.234.8]) by dash.widearea.co.uk with ESMTP id <36952-281>; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:52:06 +0000 X-Sender: bill at dash.widearea.co dot uk Message-Id: <v03007800aed19ee1e81f at [194.70.234 dot 8]> In-Reply-To: <32ABE50E.5148 at obsolete dot com> References: <Pine.GSO.3.93.961209094213.29574E-100000 at stingray.ivision.co dot uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: list at wired.co dot uk From: Bill Smith <bill at widearea.co dot uk> Subject: Re: ... timing. Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:52:05 +0000 ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` PHIL GYFORD Inter-planetary dialling prefix 44(0)171 mailto:phil at wired.co dot uk Daylight productivity podule 775.3434 http://www.paranoia.com/~fabius Darkside leisure palace 622.9058 Wired magazine, 51d30'N 00d05'W, Earth Hard copy portal 775.3401 . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , .
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:39:55 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Wrong Reply-to At 11:03 +0000 12/9/96, Phil Gyford wrote: >We're having problems with a couple of people on one of our lists... When >they post to it, something causes Autoshare not to add the correct Reply-To >or X- headers. Is this something to do with their end, or is there anything >I can do about it? Sample header below (with names changed to protect the >innocent...). It is something at their end. Take this line: >To: list at wired.co dot uk There is one character between 'To:' and 'list at wired.co dot uk', but it is not an ASCII 32 (a space). It's an ASCII 09. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:11:53 +0000 From: Phil Gyford <phil at wired.co dot uk> Subject: Re: Wrong Reply-to At 8:39 am -0800 9/12/96, Mikael Hansen wrote: >At 11:03 +0000 12/9/96, Phil Gyford wrote: > >>We're having problems with a couple of people on one of our lists... When >>they post to it, something causes Autoshare not to add the correct Reply-To >>or X- headers. Is this something to do with their end, or is there anything >>I can do about it? Sample header below (with names changed to protect the >>innocent...). > >It is something at their end. Take this line: > >>To: list at wired.co dot uk > >There is one character between 'To:' and 'list at wired.co dot uk', but it is not >an ASCII 32 (a space). It's an ASCII 09. Ah, you're right (as usual :) ) I'll point this out to them. Thanks. ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` PHIL GYFORD Inter-planetary dialling prefix 44(0)171 mailto:phil at wired.co dot uk Daylight productivity podule 775.3434 http://www.paranoia.com/~fabius Darkside leisure palace 622.9058 Wired magazine, 51d30'N 00d05'W, Earth Hard copy portal 775.3401 . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , .
From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman) Subject: Re: Wrong Reply-to Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 01:37:13 +0000 At 16:39 09/12/96, Mikael Hansen wrote: >It is something at their end. Take this line: > >>To: list at wired.co dot uk > >There is one character between 'To:' and 'list at wired.co dot uk', but it is not >an ASCII 32 (a space). It's an ASCII 09. Otherwise known as HTAB. Had a hunch about this, so I just checked rfc 822: Section 3.3 (p.10) LWSP-char = SPACE / HTAB ; semantics = space Section 3.4.2 WHITE SPACE (p.12) 'In structured field bodies, multiple linear space ASCII characters (namely HTABs and SPACEs) are treated as single spaces and may freely surround any symbol.' but: 'the use of tabs in message headers, though permitted, is discouraged.' So it appears that their MUA (PINE, by the look of it) is a little badly behaved. Nonetheless, the header is legal. Ideally, AutoShare should recognise it. Note also (again from 3.4.2): 'In all header fields, the only place in which at least one LWSP-char is REQUIRED is at the beginning of continuation lines in a folded field.' So you may see a mail header with no white space. Does AutoShare handle this OK? ( :-]) James
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 19:58:10 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Wrong Reply-to At 01:37 +0000 12/10/96, James Berriman wrote: >'the use of tabs in message headers, though permitted, is discouraged.' It is just no way getting around you :-) Fixed. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:31:22 +0000 From: Phil Gyford <phil at wired.co dot uk> Subject: Re: Wrong Reply-to At 7:58 pm -0800 9/12/96, Mikael Hansen wrote: >At 01:37 +0000 12/10/96, James Berriman wrote: > >>'the use of tabs in message headers, though permitted, is discouraged.' > >It is just no way getting around you :-) Fixed. Does that mean you've updated the downloadable version? Now that's service! :) ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` ' ` PHIL GYFORD Inter-planetary dialling prefix 44(0)171 mailto:phil at wired.co dot uk Daylight productivity podule 775.3434 http://www.paranoia.com/~fabius Darkside leisure palace 622.9058 Wired magazine, 51d30'N 00d05'W, Earth Hard copy portal 775.3401 . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , . , .
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 07:43:08 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Wrong Reply-to At 09:31 +0000 12/10/96, Phil Gyford wrote: >Does that mean you've updated the downloadable version? No. Sorry. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:58:08 +0000 From: Rachel Willmer <rachel at intertrader dot com> Subject: Subscribing Users via email I send a message to autoshare with the commands: subscribe announce subscribe discuss. (announce is a one-way feed, discuss is a subscription list). Autoshare processes the messages, replies with the subscription messages, but doesn't actually add the names to the subscriber list. I'm tearing my hair out about this, any pointers please? Regards Rachel P.S. As another convert from Macjordomo, I'm very pleased with AutoShare...
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:27:09 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Subscribing Users via email At 18:58 +0000 12/10/96, Rachel Willmer wrote: >I send a message to autoshare with the commands: >subscribe announce >subscribe discuss. > >(announce is a one-way feed, discuss is a subscription list). > >Autoshare processes the messages, replies with the subscription messages, >but doesn't actually add the names to the subscriber list. Have you included the '/=sub' line in your docs/sub file? The sub file in the Samples folder illustrates how to do it. >I'm tearing my hair out about this That's James's job :-) >P.S. As another convert from Macjordomo, I'm very pleased with AutoShare... Happy to have you here! -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai.com> <http://www.dnai dot com/~meh/autoshare/>
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:51:18 +0000 From: Rachel Willmer <rachel at intertrader dot com> Subject: Re: Subscribing Users via email >Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:27:09 -0800 >From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> >Subject: Re: Subscribing Users via email > >At 18:58 +0000 12/10/96, Rachel Willmer wrote: > >>I send a message to autoshare with the commands: >>subscribe announce >>subscribe discuss. >> >>(announce is a one-way feed, discuss is a subscription list). >> >>Autoshare processes the messages, replies with the subscription messages, >>but doesn't actually add the names to the subscriber list. > >Have you included the '/=sub' line in your docs/sub file? The sub file in >the Samples folder illustrates how to do it. Yup, that was the problem! Thanks. Rachel
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:27:11 +0000 From: Rachel Willmer <rachel at intertrader dot com> Subject: Allowing people to post to list OK, here's another problem, different list. I've got a subscriber list to which it appears that only I can post although all subscribers should be able to. Anyone else tries, they get the mail back saying that they're not in the list. But they are! Any ideas? Rachel
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:21:27 -0800 From: Mikael Hansen <meh at dnai dot com> Subject: Re: Allowing people to post to list At 15:27 +0000 12/11/96, Rachel Willmer wrote: >I've got a subscriber list to which it appears that only I can post >although all subscribers should be able to. Anyone else tries, they >get the mail back saying that they're not in the list. > >But they are! Which type of list have you configured the list to be? What is the wording of the returned message? Also, could you send me a fresh Analysis file plus the name of the list. Thanks. -- Mikael Hansen <mailto:meh at dnai dot com>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:06:24 +0000 From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman) Subject: The 'list size' poll - update Current status of the poll... 100 1 ******************** 135 1 ******************** 300 2 **************************************** 50 1 ******************** 833 1 ******************** 5 selections 6 votes, the top selection got 2 votes [To add your vote, send a message to poll at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk with subject: list size In the body, state the maximum size of AutoShare list you run - to the nearest hundred (in figures, without punctuation or spaces - e.g. 200 or 500 or 5000).] Perhaps these directions weren't too clear - only two people actually followed them! ;-) ( :-]) James
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:04:54 +0000 From: james at frutiger.staffs.ac dot uk (James Berriman) Subject: ANNOUNCE: ListMom Mailing List I'm sure this will interest most of you :-) ( :-]) James --- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-URL: http://thelorax.skyweyr.com/josh.html X-Planation: My mountain is waiting... Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:19:16 -0500 To: "Mailing List Administrators"listmoms@everywhere.staffs.ac dot uk From: "Joshua D. Baer" <josh at skyweyr dot com> Subject: ANNOUNCE: ListMom Mailing List X-URL: http://www.biap.com/midas/ Greetings, I'd like to extend an invitation to join a new mailing list devoted specifically to the topic of administering mailing lists. Due to the initial announcement list, the list will most likely start off focusing solely on Macintosh listserver packages. The ListMom-Talk discussion list is intended to serve as a resource for individuals who operate listservers on all platforms. List ediquette, comparisons of listserver software, problems with members of a list, and listserver configuration are all appropriate topics. If you're new to the list, consider sending a message to introduce yourself! The ListMom-Talk discussion list is NOT intended to replace any existing product mailing lists. Specific product questions should be directed to the respective mailing list or support staff. Comparisons and evaluations of existing products are welcome, however. To subscribe, send a message to listmom-talk at lists.skyweyr dot com with "subscribe" as the subject of your message. My apologies if you receive this message more than once. ~Josh -- ---------------------------------- Joshua D. Baer SkyList Mailing List Hosting http://www.skyweyr.com/skylist/ --- end forwarded text
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 06:34:52 -0500 From: "Joshua D. Baer" <josh at skyweyr dot com> Subject: ANNOUNCE: ListMom-Talk Discussion List Greetings, I'd like to extend an invitation to join a new mailing list devoted specifically to the topic of administering mailing lists. Due to the initial announcement list, the list will most likely start off focusing solely on Macintosh listserver packages. The ListMom-Talk discussion list is intended to serve as a resource for individuals who operate listservers on all platforms. List ediquette, comparisons of listserver software, problems with members of a list, and listserver configuration are all appropriate topics. If you're new to the list, consider sending a message to introduce yourself! The ListMom-Talk discussion list is NOT intended to replace any existing product mailing lists. Specific product questions should be directed to the respective mailing list or support staff. Comparisons and evaluations of existing products are welcome, however. To subscribe, send a message to listmom-talk at lists.skyweyr dot com with "subscribe" as the subject of your message. My apologies if you receive this message more than once. ~Josh -- ---------------------------------- Joshua D. Baer Interactive Holiday Cards online! http://www.skyweyr.com/